User talk:Kami-sama

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Version tags[edit]

Hi and welcome to the wiki. As it happens, several of your past edits have had to be reversed. Please refrain from changing Version tags unless the article/section is fully updated. It is not enough to merely confirm the existing information is up-to-date while new relevant data is still missing. Thanks. ~ SolSys (talk) 00:12, 23 October 2017 (CEST)

Well the new relevant data was not for the standard traits section, it was for the one below. That's why I updated the version after writing the only 1.8 change that wasn't already done by someone else. Then I moved on to the last section since that needed a bit more time. Kami-sama (talk) 00:41, 23 October 2017 (CEST)


When you upload an image can you please put them in a category and assign a copyright tag. I've added the information for the ones you uploaded earlier today. Thanks. Dauth (talk) 22:13, 25 October 2017 (CEST)

Thanks. I'll keep it in mind. Kami-sama (talk) 15:57, 26 October 2017 (CEST)

[Unindented] With image uploads you'll need to force refresh on the updated page to get to see the new image. Otherwise your browser will use the cached version. Dauth (talk) 20:32, 30 November 2017 (CET)

If you're talking about just refreshing the page from my browser to load it again that's not the problem, take a look at the file history and see how the current one doesn't update. Judging by the file history I suppose SolSys had the same issue with it. I remember having had this problem with the a Fallen Empire image too and ended up having to upload it under a different name to show correctly. Maybe deleting the Sacred Nexus file and uploading it again with the image edited by SolSys would work, or it might still fail because of the same name. Anyway since I can't delete pages I can't give it a try. Kami-sama (talk) 20:45, 30 November 2017 (CET)
I've just done a null edit (one where you change nothing but the server rebuilds the page) on the buildings page and the sacred nexus looks good to me. Dauth (talk) 22:02, 30 November 2017 (CET)
Actually, I just uploaded several slightly different files. To force-refresh use CTRL+F5 on windows -- F5 by itself will just reopen the page using the cache. ~ SolSys (talk) 23:03, 30 November 2017 (CET)
I see what you meant by force-refresh now, I never knew of this issue. Thanks guys, Paradox always picks the best ^_^ Kami-sama (talk) 23:13, 30 November 2017 (CET)
To be fair, it is an issue only in really specific cases -- which then can be solved through force-refresh. The reason it works this way is to help you browse the web faster and reduce data congestion on the ISPs infrastructure. For example, if you watch a popular video from YouTube, you are likely not to access any Alphabet servers as the ISP probably saved the video on its local server to reduce some of the overhead. ~ SolSys (talk) 23:47, 30 November 2017 (CET)


You've stated that you're not interested in the contest running today onwards in an edit summary on another page. If this is the case can you confirm it here for me? I don't want to unfairly remove you without you confirming it first. Thanks Dauth (talk) 09:51, 16 November 2017 (CET)

Yep, I'm not interested in the contest. Hope it'll be a good incentive for others though. Kami-sama (talk) 10:44, 16 November 2017 (CET)
OK thanks for confirming. If you change your mind let me know. Dauth (talk) 12:28, 16 November 2017 (CET)

Easter Egg page[edit]

Thanks for tidying it up. I have semi-protected the page to prevent edits by anonymous users to stem the flow of vanity edits. Hopefully we can keep it trimmed to something reasonable. Dauth (talk) 18:23, 12 January 2018 (CET)

Just doing my part, I want to have every easter egg but I also want to keep the page clean. As they add more easter eggs with every additional content I'll see what can be done to keep it like this without removing anything that's an undeniable reference. Kami-sama (talk) 22:24, 12 January 2018 (CET)

Editorial tags[edit]

Just a reminder that editorial tags are to be removed by wiki staff after evaluating the changes -- not by the editor making the changes. Please refrain from doing so in the future. ~ SolSys (talk) 10:28, 27 January 2018 (CET)

Sorry, when I first started editing the wiki most pages had cleanup tags and I removed them after I was done and nobody complained. I didn't even have an account when I did that. So I thought it was okay. I'll leave them in the future. Kami-sama (talk) 14:29, 27 January 2018 (CET)

Bonus tables[edit]

You do have edit rights to bonus tables. I've protected them to prevent edits from anon/non-autoconfirmed users. You however are auto-confirmed and have the rights to edit the tables. You can find them in {{Bonus table}}. Cheers, Dauth (talk) 13:45, 22 February 2018 (CET)

I knew I could edit them but I didn't know how. Thanks ^^ Kami-sama (talk) 13:51, 22 February 2018 (CET)

Icon template[edit]

Make sure refrain from deleting old icon entries. They may be still in use across the wiki and are referenced in the historical edits. If an entry is no longer relevant, move it to the bottom obsolete/outdated section [with a note]. ~ SolSys (talk) 14:29, 24 February 2018 (CET)

I assume you're talking about the mausoleum icon, I only deleted it because it's not mentioned anywhere on the wiki and the icon is now used for the habitat administration. If the icon would've simply been unused in the game I would've left it in the outdated section so that it remains accessible in case it's brought back into the game or recycled. Kami-sama (talk) 14:38, 24 February 2018 (CET)
If you were referring to how I renamed the torpedo icon to guided despite the obvious errors it'll cause on the outdated pages is because I'm planning to rewrite every single ship table on the wiki due to the large changes in ship design. Kami-sama (talk) 14:46, 24 February 2018 (CET)
And in the mean time it will remain with errors? No. -- and again, it is also referenced in the history edits for those who use it. ~ SolSys (talk) 14:51, 24 February 2018 (CET)
Point taken, didn't think of the history edits. I worked on many wikis but never on a 4X game one so this is the most complex one so far. I like criticism though, it's the fastest way to improve, so keep pointing my mistakes. Kami-sama (talk) 14:59, 24 February 2018 (CET)
Another consideration is that mods may use historic content so by keeping everything in place we're more able to support their pages. Dauth (talk) 15:07, 24 February 2018 (CET)
You have to consider that while the wiki's goal is to be updated to the latest patch version, PDX allows players to play on the version they prefer so not all users will be on the latest version. ~ SolSys (talk) 15:15, 24 February 2018 (CET)
Right, I totally forgot about that. You're like my mentors XD Kami-sama (talk) 15:23, 24 February 2018 (CET)
I'll stop touching the templates page, it seems I can't handle it right. This was so much easier on the Anno wikis. Kami-sama (talk) 22:16, 24 February 2018 (CET)

Star classification[edit]

You reverted my edit to the with the reasoning "The staff always insisted that the list remains alphabetic. At least the game doesn't have class O stars." Admittedly, I should have checked the edit history first, but it seems like the most recent edit pertaining to this was a re-ordering based solely on the listing in the game files. If you can find a comment from wiki staff on the matter, I'll gladly accept the edit.

However, as it stands, I see no reason to sort this list alphabetically. Not only is it against real-world practice, but it's clear from the star's visuals (i.e. the icons) that B should be placed above A. It would be like rearranging the rainbow from "Red-Orange-Yellow-Green-Blue-Indigo-Violet" to "Blue-Green-Indigo-Orange-Red-Violet-Yellow" - it just doesn't make sense. TristanBomb (talk) 01:02, 26 February 2018 (CET)

10:45, 16 September 2017‎ SolSys (talk | contribs)‎ m . . (58,258 bytes) (0)‎ . . (Undo revision 21838 by (talk) Again, I get the reasoning, BUT the rest of the list is alphabetical)
23:09, 15 September 2017‎ (talk)‎ . . (58,258 bytes) (0)‎ . . (→‎Stars: The order of spectral classification is OBAFGKM. O is not available in-game, so the order here should be BAFGKM)

But now that I read this again, this applied before I split the table because they added special effects to black holes, neutron stars and pulsars so I think it no longer applies. I would've preferred the list ordered after real life classification as well so I'll put it back ^_^ Kami-sama (talk) 11:27, 26 February 2018 (CET)
The order in the in game files can be found here: Stellaris\common\planet_classes\00_planet_classes.txt. As a moderator I don't mind which order is used as long as it is clearly defined. Either alphabetically or listed as in the game files or listed in the order of stellar evolution. A link to stellar evolution on wikipedia for the order or stars would not go amiss here. As long as we don't have an edit war the wiki staff will be happy with any decision. Thanks Dauth (talk) 11:34, 26 February 2018 (CET)
This seems to require a bit of clarification on my part -- all other sorting on the page is alphabetical, so this one ended up that way too. "Real life" order [or order within the game files] has of little importance as most of the users are not aware of star order classifications [or how it is ordered within the game files], but hopefully they are aware of the order of the alphabet. As the table is small it is not a big issue to break the default sorting since you can see the whole thing immediately, but it should be of good reason. ~ SolSys (talk) 14:21, 26 February 2018 (CET)
Actually, there is already a precedent for non-alphabetic sorting: the Habitable Worlds section, which groups them by their climate type. I've in favor of alphabetical sorting for consistency, but only when it doesn't compromise on meaning or content, and this is one of those cases. The star classes in Stellaris are based on real stellar classifications, which do have an order, and alphabetical sorting would lose that meaning. That said, linking to the Wikipedia article is a good call, as it gives readers who don't know about the topic a reason as to why they're out of order. Also, sparking an edit war was never my intention, especially given that I'm a new user and it's such a minor detail. TristanBomb (talk)
That is fine -- and there is no edit war. As you have noted, many places on the wiki have non-default sorting to help understand them [tech, perks, and etc.]. The original table contained additional entries [aside from the star classes] than the current one so a regular ordering deemed more beneficial. It is more reasonable to have the spectral sorting now than it was before so all is fine [with a note explaining the sorting of course]. ~ SolSys (talk) 09:39, 27 February 2018 (CET)

Style templates[edit]

While I don't disagree with the rewrite tag on the population page. That decision is normally reserved for the moderating team. Hopefully when we mark a page for a rewrite we should also take the time to explain what needs changing on the talk pages. If you would like to list these too then I'm happy to let it stand. Its really good to see proactive edits on the wikis. Thanks, Dauth (talk) 00:12, 12 March 2018 (CET)

I wanted to give a reason but I didn't know how to express properly and detailed enough that while the upper half of the page is acceptable (if outdated in case of Happiness), the lower half needs work. I tried to do it myself but didn't have time. I'll see what I can do when I'll be more free. Kami-sama (talk) 11:43, 12 March 2018 (CET)
You could say that on the talk page. Generally I also use the reasons listed on the {{Rewrite}} template documentation. Dauth (talk) 12:22, 12 March 2018 (CET)

Half-op status[edit]

Good afternoon,

Given the volume and quality of your contributions to the Stellaris Wiki, I and the rest of the moderation team were wondering if you would like to join the moderation team as a half-op.

This would bring you into our moderator chat where much of the overall direction of the Paradox Wikis is decided, and give you access to some tools to deal with vandalism and the like.

If you're interested, we would be happy to have you on the team. If the answer is yes, please tell me what email address I should send an invite to the moderator chat to. You can use "email this user" on my user page to avoid having to put it in public anywhere. If you'd be happy to use the same email as the one you use for your PDX Account, I can find that in our database without the need for you to send me an email. ~ Meneth (talk) 17:01, 15 March 2018 (CET)

Thank you for the offer. Half-op sounds good but to be honest I'm mostly interested in the moderator chat. I will use the same email as the one tied to my PDX account. Thanks again. Kami-sama (talk) 00:20, 16 March 2018 (CET)
I've sent you an invite to our Slack team, and added the half-op status. Looking forward to seeing you around on Slack. ~ Meneth (talk) 11:55, 16 March 2018 (CET)
One of the joys of being a half op is that you can edit everything. This includes the bonus tables, which you could edit before you were made a half of. They're found in Template:Bonus_table. Thanks Dauth (talk) 19:49, 19 March 2018 (CET)


Hey! Since you seem to be the one adding the greatest amount of info into the Wiki, I've decided to join your capitalisation style. Therefore, I'm from this moment on embracing Capital Letters and will adapt to your ways of using them.


--Naschnasch (talk) 01:06, 29 May 2018 (CEST)

It's not my style, it's the game's. So only capitalize words that are capitalized in the game as well. This isn't German XD Kami-sama (talk) 13:14, 29 May 2018 (CEST)
Verstanden! (I know, I was only joking xD) --Naschnasch (talk) 13:18, 29 May 2018 (CEST)

[Unindented] I'll interject here -- there is no need to capitalize every other word as in the game. Names of techs/buildings can be tolerable to an extent, but doing so for every word would be too much. Thanks. ~ SolSys (talk) 21:45, 30 May 2018 (CEST)

Strategic Resources[edit]

"Strategic Resources have generally been buffed and made more rare - we've removed their tendency to spawn in large clumps in certain areas of space, so if you find a particular resource and fail to claim that system before someone else does, you can no longer be assured that there will be another of its type nearby, and generally there won't be enough of any one strategic resource for every empire in the galaxy to have access to it." (from dev diary 114)

And now they're random spawn ingame now, that's why i removed clustered tab and merge it into common. Is there any reason to split them up again? --Katana stg (talk) 12:01, 5 June 2018 (CEST)

My mistake, I'm sorry. I'll merge them. In the strategic resources file they're still categorized into clustered and non-clustered so I forgot about that 2.1 change. Kami-sama (talk) 12:29, 5 June 2018 (CEST)

I don't think strategic resource deposit will only appear in certain type of habitable world... I've found crystal on wet world, and dust desert on cold world before. Maybe we should remove related record? (ver 2.2.2) --Katana stg (talk) 07:37, 30 December 2018 (CET)

I just copied the sources I wrote on the celestial bodies page but that was before patches, something must've been changed. I'll update it but already have other pages in my list before that. If you want to take care of it, it's all in common/deposits/01_planetary_deposits.txt. Kami-sama (talk) 10:47, 30 December 2018 (CET)

Deleting a page[edit]

Do you mind deleting this page ? I created it and I've just realised there is a typo and I don't have the powers to delete pages. Thanks in advance. --Naschnasch (talk) 23:27, 5 June 2018 (CEST)

Sure thing. Dauth created the correct redirect two years ago. Thanks for all the work on the wiki by the way Kami-sama (talk) 01:55, 6 June 2018 (CEST)
No problem, I'm happy to help (I find it somewhat relaxing). Actually, let me know if there's anything you'd like me to work on :] --Naschnasch (talk) 11:53, 6 June 2018 (CEST)
That depends on what games you own. Other Paradox wikis need more help than this one, particularly the Hearts of Iron 4 wiki. If you already own the game we'd appreciate any help on that wiki. Kami-sama (talk) 12:48, 6 June 2018 (CEST)
If you prefer working on Stellaris then you can look at the Category:Articles by version for the oldest pages. Updates to them are very helpful for the wiki. Or if you want to hunt down smaller taks there's also Category:Pages_with_broken_file_links. Thanks for all the help, Dauth (talk) 18:55, 6 June 2018 (CEST)
As of now, I think I would rather focus on improving Stellaris', but I'll surely look into working on other wikis in the future. I'll also check out those links you provided. Thanks! --Naschnasch (talk) 14:09, 7 June 2018 (CEST)

Job icons and building descriptions[edit]

Are you sure that removing job icons and building descriptions from the Buildings page is a good idea? I feel that the icons make jobs seem more distinct. And I think that we should include more in-game information about the buildings on the page, not less. - 16:11, 16 December 2018 (CET)

I wasn't big on removing the icons either but I did it so civic/authority/AP icons could be used on the new jobs column. As for removing the flavor text descriptions, I previewed the table with it after adding the new column and no matter how I resized it there wasn't enough space to keep every job line on the same line. The pre-2.2 buildings page didn't have it either. Kami-sama (talk) 16:19, 16 December 2018 (CET)
Can't we use both civic/authority/AP icons and job icons? They seem different enough. - 17:11, 16 December 2018 (CET)
Methinks... too many space occupied by cost, time and upkeep. Maybe we can make them occupy less width or, merge time and cost column? --Katana stg (talk) 06:09, 20 December 2018 (CET)

Ow, come on, why remove the job icons again? The previous solution, with repeating jobs being represented by just an icon, seemed to work just fine. -

I removed them only on tables where jobs have requirements since I've been told those look cluttered. Maybe we need a new idea to better show all the possibilities. Kami-sama (talk) 16:44, 21 December 2018 (CET)

Change to Console Commands[edit]

Hi, is there a specific reason you changed the console commands page so drastically? It was quite a nice overview from a user perspective. Now, there are certain important commands missing. For example, I have a hard time understanding why Traits (individuals) was deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:23, 5 January 2019‎ (CET)

Because the page was getting very hard to load for people with slower internet. To fix that I removed the descriptions for traits and deposits since I believe people who want to add a specific one via console commands already know what it does from the game or the wiki. As for the leader traits, I removed them because the console already tells you all trait keys for a leader's class if you enter the leader ID but not the trait key, I wrote it in the command description. Tell me what other important things are missing. Kami-sama (talk) 11:45, 5 January 2019 (CET)
It was a duplication of information not via transclusion. Simply put -- the info alrady exists on dedicated articles around the wiki and this was merely a simple copy of that article. While it may come to some as "so what's the problem?" one needs to consider the unnecessary overhead it creates when an update to that info is required. Hope this helps. On a related note, in the future do not undo a moderator edit without inquiry first and also please sign your comments with ~~~~. ~ SolSys (talk) 12:59, 5 January 2019 (CET)